@harvey no way dude! I wont challenge MCT since Ovelay was originated there, of course there are so many great designers and encoders there. I know many people there, I've seen their codes and I am telling you, we are way back behind of them. Hahaha.. First of, markyctrigger itself will compete of course! So majority says we will compete against other forums (except mct). Name as many friendster forums you know here Here are some: Vixenart Friendsterforum Naughtical-twillight Kilometer69 Codedspirit Nackvision I forgot the others.