nice one frazen, frazen has a point, just because they target kids or families doesn't make the wii not for gamers.. Nintendo make games like wii fit and the like because they wanted gaming to be fun... sometimes, when i play winning eleven on my psp, when i lose, i feel like throwing my psp and break it to pieces(it doesn't mean i hate my psp, and also, winning eleven is my favorite game on my psp), but nintendo doesn't give you that, they don't want someone curse when they lose or fail, they just want it to be fun that's all.. they didn't make their graphics that good because nintendo doesn't want YOU to wait for the game, they know that when they apply great graphics like on the ps3 they know that there are gonna be plenty of loading screens and for me, making you wait is really really not good..