[quote=blurrycloud]your right bobcar and everyone here even moderators or expert in coding starts from d scratch....... [/quote] I know this kind of experience. I remember my self here in FTalk. I didn't register at first. I'm always guest for 1 month. Then I studied how these things works. Javascripts and CSS are new things for me. But I worked hard. Registered my name "xavierkym" applied for moderator but "FAILED" (because i only have 50posts that time.lol) Then showed everyone what I've got, helped newbies and also non-newbies. Well, I'm a moderator now. All my hardwork had a good outcome. [quote=bobcbar]Ephemeral & blurrycloud ..thanks guys I am not leaving the forum just will not reply as much. still here reading and learning.[/quote] LOL. You're one of the most respected members here. I salute you Sir Bob. And also, everyone knows FTalk is getting crowded. So we really need helpful people like you and those who are like you. Coz mods and coders are not always online. @Topic: Well, noob killers eh? How will you kill THEM??