Grrrrrr, this really got to be such a conflict. Shirow did not have to originally reply the way he did. He knows he could have been a bit more "subtle" than he was. Okay. Just wanted to "compile" my private messages that have been sent and received today, in regards to this conflict. PM to Shirow [spoiler]Shirow Masamune wrote: What's the matter with this statement "Many Class-S members on first page" you got a problem with that? and what do you mean by gaara_gfzz wrote: Pls. be mature enough.. Why would you think that Ira (gaara_gfzz) would have a "problem" with a lot of Class-S members on the first page? It was just a simple statement that for some reason you took offense to, when in reality it was just a statement of recognition. At least Ira took the time to read all the posts here, as so many of us do not. Secondly, on behalf of my fellow Rockstar who you singled out, I do not believe that the "please be mature enough" comment was directed towards Class-S. In the Rockstars eGroup, we currently have a "Please be mature" "campaign" which is directed towards all FTalk members, nobody in particular. Shirow Masamune wrote: are you stating that to us? if so then if you are so-called "MATURED" then you shouldn't irrelevantly posts nonsense like the one you did now.. /fail Lastly, if you have a problem with that because you somehow took offense to a statement that was not directed towards you or Class-S (although, I can see why you possibly did), then why wouldn't you PM that person directly (to confront them, you know, maturely) to ask about it before kinda "inciting a response" (flaming) in this thread about it? Wouldn't your response be considered as a flame? I truly don't mean any offense....but I will suggest you use your own advice..... Shirow Masamune wrote: think again before you post something.. Somebody irritated me earlier today and I'm in a bad mood, which triggered my reaction to your statement. Bottom line, bro, I think you took sis Ira's post the wrong way. But if you were offended with her comment and you have a problem with it, seriously, you should show your own maturity by sending her a PM instead of provoking a reaction. Wouldn't that show more maturity on your behalf (since you are a Moderator) if you believe she was being immature?[/spoiler] PM to Yuna (deathwish) [spoiler]deathwish4MCR-freak-dude wrote: So "It's-an-awwwright" for your campaign. Just continue campaign on it. bhebhiej wrote: And why are all the Class S members so defensive? Geeez, talk about jumping to conclusions Omeg. Now who's jumping to conclusions? All Class-S members? If you don't know us -All members-, then you shouldn't make that tragic line. Why was she posted such a non-related quote. And oh-- There's if so line on Shirow's Post. Why everyone is so bothering with Shirow's post? And the answer come from another member as well. Well just wait for this member to answer "why was she posted that quote". Okay, yes, you have a point. I used the word "all" and so far it's only 4 of your members. For that, I will apologize and I will even edit my post. I would rather discuss this through PM anyway, because I feel it's a more mature way to handle it. As for her quote....I believe she intended it to be just part of like a statement kinda thing. I hope you get what I mean. However, I agree that maybe it could appear as if it were referring to Class S because there was no separation, however I can assure you that her quote was not directed towards you all in Class S....it was a statement towards everybody, the whole forum. Why is "everyone" bothering with Shirow's post? You just crossed that same line you accused me of. So....do you see how you get "caught up" in the heat of the debate? --->2 Rockstars have replied to Shirow's post. I, however, sent him a PM instead of instigating a "fight" in the thread. Couldn't we all be accused of "flaming", including yourself (A Moderator) ? Yes, Shirow used "if so"....however you cannot deny that it seemed as if he were sure of what sis Ira's post insinuated... I had no further plans of replying in the thread about this until your other member (i forget his name...the one with PM disabled) posted..... cklahrckiey wrote: she stated class-s then she stated it to us... ^That is a direct allegation. Is it not ??[/spoiler] Shirow's Reply (plus my 2nd reply to him) [spoiler]did i flame there? LMAO i post that to cite and to clarify what she is blabbing about then you pm me with this moral(ftw lolwut?) and errr astonishing speech of yours stating me that im too being defensive about it And how can you tell that I am flaming there? I am merely expressing my thoughts and my opinions about your messed up and unfixed slogan and your messed up replies of your members on that thread. When I stand up to the President of the Philippines telling her that her government is whack, am I flaming or offending her? By all means, expound how that would be disrespectful, if not libertarian or democratic. [b] I am not saying you definitively flamed there. However, it is how I perceived your response to be, and if I took your post the wrong way also, then I apologize for that. We (Rockstars) stand as "one", just as Class-S does, so I came to the defense of my fellow Rockstar because it seemed as though you could have replied in a more positive way, as you, yourself, do not know what was truly implied in her post. I respect your thoughts and expressions but you could have done it in a different manner. You could have merely stated a simple question asking her if she directed her comment towards Class-S (and left out the part about "MATURE" and "think before you post". I believe a better way to have dealt with that issue would have been to PM her instead of posting that in the thread, because I am not the only one who saw it as a bit derogatory.[/b] On a side note, if I really flame her, how the hell is someone supposed to follow and understands who close in on an unsuspecting member and reply with that non-clarifying slogan lol ? and telling me that its for all without announcing or notifying the public? I mean, you don't even have rules for replying a post with some rendering words. You only have moral discretion and logic and a basic understanding of English and sentence syntax. [b] Do you and your group announce everything you do and plan to the whole forum? We don't have to announce it to everybody. I will make more of a statement below. And no offense, but before you make a blanket statement about somebody's (especially my) understanding of English and sentence syntax, you should check your own. I believe I have a much better understanding than you do, so don't include me in that statement. (And it's okay that my understanding and sentence syntax is better than yours because it's my first language).[/b] and didn't you fully understand what i said there do you? before you send me a wall of text make sure you get the gist of what i am saying there.. why should we or i be offended by it? this wouldn't be such a pathetic issue if that member didn't include the noun Class S on her post there and her statement isn't clarified about that maturity blahblah campaign or whatsoever is that. and oh didn't you read this line on my statement "if so" [b] The gist of what you said, to me and to a few others, was that you were picking on a member for something that you took the wrong way. Again, I think it would have been more mature of you (as a Moderator) to pose your question to the poster in a PM to nullify the kind of reactions and interpretations that resulted. Sis Ira, however, did not say that Class-S was not mature. I agree that she did not "separate" her 2 comments, which resulted in you believing that she was directly referring to Class-S which is why I said that I can kind of see how you might have taken her statement the wrong way. I do not fault you for that. I was merely trying to inform you that it truly was not directed towards Class-S. Finally, yes, I saw that you used "if so", however your comments still seemed to indicate that you had already made up your mind that you "knew" she was referring to Class-S. I, again, apologize if I took your comments the wrong way, as well, but I am hoping that you could see how (just as you saw Ira's comments negatively) your comments came across in a negative manner.[/b] can't you understand on how i expound that word *facepalm* now we see that rockstars member on that thread become err somewhat aggressive and should i say defensive hahahahahhaha oh wow [b] Would you and Class-S not come to the defense of a fellow Class-S member if you felt he/she had been singled out, especially for a statement or comment that was perceived to be a negative remark about somebody or some other group. Just as your fellow Class-S member stated, Class-S stands as one. So do the Rockstars. Do you really find it hard to believe that we are defending our own? I'm sure you can relate to that. As do the rest of the Class-S members, as they too jumped to your defense, just as aggressively.[/b] [b]I intend no disrespect, and I have no problem with anybody here in FTalk. With that being said, though, I will come to defend my fellow Rockstars. I'm sure you would do the same for your fellow members.[/b][/spoiler] My PM to Deviantangel [spoiler]Deviantangel1995 wrote: What is going on here? If you want to be mature, then be mature. You are only pointing out your maturity by pointing out the immaturity of someone else. That is not maturity, it is being hypocritical pointing out the fallacy of others to make them sound superior. Maturity comes when you finally decide that on your own. It does not come from knowing that you are being smarter than others but rather when you think to yourself and ponder "Should I act my age?". [b] Yes, I have been a bit hypocritcal and I even said so in my last post in the confession thread. But you cannot argue that you and your group (as has already been shown), despite your maturity, that just like us (Rockstars) we are going to come to the defense of our own members. If you read my entire post, you would see that I even mentioned that the only reason I replied further in this post is because your fellow member has his/her PM disabled and I could not let his accusation go without a reply. He blatantly stated that our member (Ira) directed her comment towards Class-S, which was not the case. As I have already told Shirow, I do agree that our member did not "separate" her comment from the comment about a lot of Class-S members on the first page. The two comments, I assure you, were, in fact, separated, however she did not "separate" them and I merely tried to clarify that the "mature" comment was not directed towards your group. In fact, I felt (and maybe I was wrong) that Shirow was "picking on" a younger member, as I have heard is something you can relate to. Would you not come to your fellow member's defense in such a case? I know that the rest of Class-S came to your defense when a couple members "picked on" you.[/b] Also, another sign of being hypocritical: bhebhiej wrote: that we (Rockstars) have a "campaign" We didn't have to know about your campaign just to know that you are all mature. You are just using that campaign as a proof of your maturity, which in case is not true. Just like what I said, using any means necessary to become superior, hypocritical. If you wanna be known as mature, then show it. Do not say what made you mature, just show it to us in the way you post. [b] Actually, you misunderstand the "campaign". It's not a "campaign" to say that we are mature, rather, a "campaign" to make each and every member realize that we all need to act maturely. As I stated, our "campaign" came from a discussion regarding those members who are not loyal to the groups they join, rather, they just join for a moment then hop to the next group. Those members who just want to "see what's going on" rather than joining a group for the sake of being a part of something they enjoy.[/b] And hello! Look at this sig: bhebhiej wrote: Mature?? Maturity speaks for itself. Yes, yes it does but all you do is show it by bragging about your campaign. [b] We are not "bragging" about being mature, as I stated above. You may have taken that the wrong way (and under the cicumstances, the timing of these events) I cannot totally blame you. The timing is just coincidental, that I assure you. And we do not mean to insult anybody. It's just a "campaign" to remind all of us that we need to act maturely. I do not feel that I have acted immaturely in my defense of a fellow member. Being immature and being outspoken are 2 different things. But I did not reply to any of the Class-S members in a negative way. I was critical, yes, but not disrespectful. And if any of you consider what I have said to be disrespectful, then I would hope you would PM me in private, rather than post publicly. As I have tried to do on this issue. The only Class-S member that I replied to publicly was your member who has his/her PM disabled.[/b] So remember, be careful with what you say. It might go back to you. Don't tell others what you don't want them to tell you. Lastly, don't be hypocritical, show what you can do. Do not talk about it. [b] I am careful with what I say. I have said nothing that I do not want someone to tell me. I accept criticism in a positive manner and I respect everybody's opinion, but I'm still going to come to the defense of my fellow Rockstar. Maybe I am a bit hypcritical, but so is everybody, even your own Class-S members in times of defense. That, you cannot deny.[/b] P.S. I am not saying this on behalf of our group but rather as an individual pointing out the incorrectness/misinterpreting of one. [b] And I fully respect you opinions. But just as you say that, also try to remember that Shirow, too, was incorrect in his response to the way he misinterpreted sis Ira's post. So I hope your post was not directed solely at me.[/b][/spoiler] [quote=As cicatrizes]you were offline moments ago. [b]I was? I've been signed in for hours. Maybe a forum bug thinggy. [/b] so how was our morning bro jesse? pretty rough eh? [b]My whole damn day has been rough. [/b][/quote]

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