^^ yeah yeah im not saying that you're telling me that im wrong:lol: its just that in my case and most cases (not all) in relationships when trust is lost it will definitely be HARDer (repeated) HARDer to find again. just like the process of glass making as you said... a HARD process though worth if succeed ---nwei for me issue ended and i dont want to argue anymore sire IM DONE! next topic for me please and for the others still can share opinions... for sir ej better not talk to me for advices for these issue coz im the guilty one but with an open mind(very open minded) , talk to my partner instead:D JUST KIDDING ---better not=D