[align=center]Alright, alright, here's the old topic I wanted to voice my point of view on....abortion...uh oh... I decided to put my 2 cents on abortion into the spoiler because it's very long...sorry ladies and gentlemen but I hope you'll take time to read it[/align] [spoiler] Ok, since I have been given the green light to bring up an older topic, here I am. But first, I want to give a [b]"disclaimer"[/b] or "[b]parental advisory sticker[/b]?" to this post. I am a very opinionated person, I have strong beliefs and I will voice my opinions, especially when my morals/beliefs are questioned. However, with that being said I just want to tell everyone, first, that I in [b]absolutely no way mean to offend or criticize [/b]your own views. Some of the statements I make below will be "strong" words or views that may seem to criticize your beliefs but it is [b]TRULY[/b] not my intentions. I'm just speaking my own (and I am a bit sarcastic at times, as well...i use sarcasm as a tool to express myself). I am probably one of the nicest people you'll ever get to know, and I am very good at seeing issues/problems/etc from all sides and angles and I do not judge others. Whatever your beliefs are...that's great, and [b]I do respect them[/b]. And if your convictions are strong, even better. Always stand up for what you believe in, no matter what others say or think. Again, please do not take my comments as being derogatory or hurtful or demeaning in any way. If I offend any of you, please PM me, or YM me so we can talk about it privately, and if I am in the wrong, I will admit it and apologize for it. Okay, so with all of that being said, here goes..... [quote=-=_+ColourBlind+_=-]speaking of abortion. in some countries its legal to do an abortion. what do u guys think about this issue?. [/quote] [b]--I have to say that I support a woman's right to have an abortion. It's her choice. It should not be the government's decision-- (I will talk more about my views below)[/b] [quote=DeverKerbill]@topic yah... i knu that in some countries abortion is legalled... i think that's.......absurd.. yah...everyone knows that abortion means killing the baby that's not even a baby yet.. that means Murdering Babys are allowed! which ,means it's okay to kill people... i dont know what's in that countries' President's Head..[/quote] [b]--"A baby that's not even a baby"...Exactly...Is a fetus a person? And actually, if you were partly referring to the United States...our current President is actually a Republican, a conservative, and he is against abortion but he cannot just say "okay, abortion is going to be illegal now and that's the law". He has to have a majority support of the Congress, then take the matter to the Supreme Court (if I'm correct). {Again, I'll probably touch on this again below}--[/b] [quote=gLoOo]^ ^ haha head? they have a head.. they just don't have a heart.. abortion? everybody disagrees with that.. I mean it's the right of the child to live and nobody has the right to take it.. [/quote] [b]--{Part 1}--As for our President having a heart?...I don't know...but for the majority of the American people...yes, we do have a heart. I know you were just trying to be funny (I think) but that comment could possibly be taken as offensive. I didn't find it offensive, though, actually it made me chuckle.-- --{Part 2}--Everybody disagrees with it? I disagree lol...."the right of the child"...I ask again, is a fetus a child?--[/b] [quote=fis.ms][align=center] I think they should just be more strict on the doctors who perform the procedure. I mean yes its wrong to kill a baby.. [b]BUT[/b] what if its for a good reason aye ? like; saving the life of the pregnant woman what if the child would only be born with a congenital disorder that would be fatal or associated with significant morbidity (above are from wikipedia... they gave 2 more therapeutic reasons to abort but I didn't really feel they were as imp. as the ones above)... ..I wouldn't opt for abortion though (even though I'm not against it) cause my parents actually gave me a "talk" ,they said if/when I get pregnant I'd have to have enough responsibility to keep my baby. [/align][/quote] [quote=reivene]On your topic As we all know [i]Abortion[/i] is a big [b]NO[/b] for most of us of course.. but what we don't know was what does really the reason pushing them to commit it.. [b]For Girls[/b] In case you accidentally got pregnant..what will you do? In case you were [b]RAPED[/b]? ( im not quite sure bout this but i think in this case abortion is allowed here at the PH) or got preggy w/o the one responsible.. we cant blame them on committing it..[/quote] [b]--The only 2 people who tried to think outside the box and look at all angles of the issue...thank you.-- --@fis.ms I agree with you on being more strict on the doctor's who perform the procedure. And glad you raised the question of "saving the life of the woman, and especially "if the child would be born with a congenital disorder". Yes, good thinking. What's worse, allowing the future child to grow up possibly confined to a bed or wheelchair, or disfigured and deformed, never being able to experience the joys of life...OR...saving that future child of having to go through a life of physical and likely emotional/mental pain?-- --@reivene You raised good questions, too. An accidental pregnancy? Impregnated after being raped? I also noticed that none of the women here chose to post a reply to your questions. Hmmm. As for the issue of a child born of rape...I read an article once that gave statistics (from scientific tests/studies) about the likelyhood of a child born of rape to grow up with mental, emotional, and psychological disorders, sometimes very severe cases (I've been searching the net trying to find this article but have been unsuccessful to this point). I don't remember the exact statistics but I think I remember it saying that children born of rape at 3 times more likely to be emotionally and psychologically disturbed as an adult, leading to possible acts of crime (including rape itself).--[/b] [quote=16th]hey, abortion is an act against humanity.. [/quote] [b]--So is giving birth to a child that is unwanted (possibly the result of an accidental pregnancy or a rape??)--[/b] [quote=NGeNeRaTiOn]Say [b]NO TO ABORTION[/b] It is your Responsibility if you create a Baby Thinks First Before you do Something[/quote] [b]--Accidents happen...Even if you think before you do "something", accidents happen...no contraceptive is 100% effective. Condoms break...Pills can sometimes lose their strength/potency (especially after time), sometimes it's just a "bad batch" of pills...etc, etc...My point is that sometimes no matter how hard and carefully you think something through, there are also scenario's that are beyond your own control.--[/b] Okay. I know that I come from a culture that is vastly different from my own, seeing as most of you here are from The Philippines, which has a much more conservative majority (but you can't fool me...times are changing there, and abroad lol). My first question I have to ask is because most of you who replied about this topic seem to be very strongly against abortion. So my question is this...Why are you so against abortion (the big picture, I mean...I understand "your" own personal views)? If a woman chooses to have an abortion (for whatever reasons, but hopefully for a good reason) how does it affect your life? It's fine if you do not believe in abortion, but why should it be illegal for a woman who has a differnt view from your own? Do you truly believe that a fetus or an embryo is a life? Or is a fetus or an embryo more like what's inside an egg that most of you probably eat every day? I realize that a chicken and a human are completely different, but at the same time...it's kind of the same? We kill/murder/eat "babies" every day when we crack open that egg shell. But when you crack that egg open do you think of a life form inside of it, or do you think it's something that "could" have been a life form? Or maybe you just "don't" think about it. Most likely, you probably don't even think about it because you do not consider it to be a "life". It's "just" food. So for those of you who are against abortion and believe that a fetus or embryo is a life form...tell me the difference between a human embryo and a chicken embryo, and why one is a life and one is not. I'm not criticizing you or telling you that you're wrong, I'm just curious to know your side. What about in the case of a pregnant woman who may likely die during pregnancy due to whatever complications? Pro-Lifers tend to use the phrase "the right of the child". So in this scenario...what happened to the rights of the woman? She got pregnant (whether intentional or accidentally) so now she loses her right to live, no matter what? That sounds almost hypocritical. In the case of a pregnancy due to a rape...is it fair to make that woman carry for 9 months the child of a psychopath? What if she was not ready to have a child? What if the pregnancy itself (not the birth) would cause her to lose her job thus leaving her no way to make money to support her and that child (or maybe she already has a family and is a single mother)?? In this scenario, the woman did not "ask" to be raped, she didn't ask to be pregnant, she did not desire it. "Thinking before she did something" was not an option for her. "Excuse me, Mr. Rapist, will you please pull out before you come or wear a condom so I won't get pregnant?" Not likely, huh? What about the case of an "accidental" pregnancy? Maybe the couple did think carefully and take precautions, but an accident happened (condom breaking, etc). Now, I know it's easy to jump in and say "well, abstinence is the best prevention". You're very right. But let's come back to reality for a moment. C'mon, guys and girls, I'm sure we're all aware that it is easier said than done. Right? And truthfully, a lot of times the accidental pregnancies are due to lack of knowledge...and, at least here in the United States, that knowledge is supposed to come from the parents. So don't hate on or blame the girl who was raised by parents who lacked parental abilities. And then sometimes it's simply just an accident...and maybe it's a young girl who's in high school. Should she be forced to give up her studies because she made a mistake? Everybody makes mistakes. Another side to think about when being against abortion is the case of the unwanted and uncared for child. Those children tend to be the ones who grow up with a lot of anger and turn to crime and drugs. Sure, you have the option to give the child up for adoption. But then you take the risk of the child ending up in a orphanage or a group home or in the care of foster parents. And what if the child is adopted, but down the road the adopting parents decide that they cannot handle raising the child and then the child get bounced into another home with another set of parents. Is that good for the child? I can speak from experience to part of this, because I was in foster homes and group homes when I was a young child while my parents battled over who got custody. I can tell you one thing about that experience...it affected me deeply, even today as a man. It was not a pleasant experience. Visit an orphanage or group home sometime and see if it's a place that you think would be an ideal experience for a young child. Also, what if prior to birth it is determined that the child will be born with some sort of illness or disorder or disability or deformation. What if that illness or disability/etc. confines that child to a life of pain and agony, whether mental or physical? "The child's right to live"...So then the child is born into a life of pain and suffering and maybe this child wants to die...but suddenly, because now that he/she has been born, he/she has no more rights until he/she is of a legal age to consent and be considered an adult and able to make decisions on his/her own. So now the child suffers against his/her will. Don't worry, I'm about to wrap up this post soon. I know it's very long, and if you've made it this far, I commend you and appreciate you taking your time to read it. So, for the ladies in this group who are not pregnant (i will assume that you choose not to be because you're not ready for it yet), seriously, what would you do if you accidentally got pregnant? Or if you were impregnated by a rapist? Or you knew your child was going to be born with severe mental and/or physical problems? At this point, this very moment in your life...what would you do? Try to imagine being in that situation and ask yourself those questions. You don't have to reply...I don't ask with the intention of getting any answers, I simply ask you to think about it to yourself. I have 2 final topics to throw out there (not directly connected to abortion, but has "links"). I would like to know how those of you who are against abortion feel about fertility drugs and invetro fertilization. What rights do all the cryogenically frozen embryos have? If they are destroyed is that the same as abortion? What about the fact that only 20% of ivf attepts actually work out, meaning a baby is born. What about the 80% of spontanious abortions from ivf, meaning the womans body rejects the implanted embryo? How do people who feel abortion is murder feel about the aggressive manipulation of embryos when the overwhelming liklyhood is an end result of destoying that life? Is this as bad as abortion? If not, why? And finally...this is just from my own experiences with pro-lifers...Why does it always seem that those who are against abortion (killing a "human life") support the death penalty (killing a human life)? Doesn't that kind of make "pro-life" an oxymoron? Just something to think about. Alright, once again, many thanks to any of you who made it all the way through this. Also once again, I know some of my words probably came across as being harsh, but I really don't mean to be harsh. It's just the way I write, I guess. If you could hear my voice, you would be able to hear that I'm sincere, and that I'm not being harsh. Once you all have gotten a chance to know me better, you'll believe and understand it, as well. But if I did manage to offend any of you, please contact me privately and we'll discuss it and resolve the situation like adults. That's all for now. Still need to get caught up on all the posts. [/spoiler] [b]@current topic (since I'm here, I might as well comment)[/b] hahaha...New Year's Eve a few years back I was at a party with some friends. There was this girl there that I thought was really hot, and my best friend also was into her. We're all drunk and having fun and this girl decides that she wants to know who kisses better between me and my best friend. So she takes turns kissing me, then my best friend, then me again, then him again. Anyway, after about 10 kisses for each of us, she then decides that she wants both me AND my best friend to kiss her...at the same time. After a little convincing I finnaly gave in. That was the only time in my life that my tongue has ever touched another guy's tongue. I was soooo trashed that night. hahahahaha What made it even funnier (looking back on it) was that me and my best friend both wanted to "get in her pants" so badly and we were competing with each other to see who could get her....ended up being neither one of us. She ended up going out back with some other guy. [quote=gLoOo]whew! [spoiler]Anyway I just want to correct some usage of terms here.. Ejaculation does not happen on women, it only happens in males.[/quote] actually, that's incorrect....females (not all) can, in fact, ejaculate if you want proof, and to learn how you and your partner can experience the female ejaculation, refer to this link...I could give a "step by step" like eehjhay, but i've already spent enough time on this post today lol.... [url]http://www.positivelysexual.com/alternatives/ejaculation.htm[/url]

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