Finally someone standout. I didn't really spoken out my views regarding this topic. So you guys might want to read my response. @topic: abortion [spoiler][quote=bhebhiej]I have to say that I support a woman's right to have an abortion. It's her choice. It should not be the government's decision[/quote] I agree on this. [b]Woman's rights.[/b] Remember that dude. I will use this first comment of yours against your own view later on. [quote=bhebhiej]Is a fetus a person?[/quote] Actually yes. From the moment the fetus start to fertilize, a life has been created inside of a woman's body. If you'd think that they don't have lives, and influence other people from this thought, then people will just consider abortion is the "cool" thing to do. Prostitution and rape incident will vastly increase its rate. [quote=bhebhiej]And actually, if you were partly referring to the United States...our current President is actually a Republican, a conservative, and he is against abortion but he cannot just say "okay, abortion is going to be illegal now and that's the law". He has to have a majority support of the Congress, then take the matter to the Supreme Court[/quote] I would like to emphasize the word "IF" from this point. Nobody is referring US regarding this topic. [quote=bhebhiej]As for our President having a heart?...I don't know...but for the majority of the American people...yes, we do have a heart.[/quote] I remember the word "IF" from the previous point of yours. No need to claim her comment towards your President, your government, nor even your country. You might as well check other countries about how they deal with abortion. Maybe that's why she made her comment that way. [quote=bhebhiej]Everybody disagrees with it? I disagree lol...."the right of the child"...I ask again, is a fetus a child?[/quote] How can you even think of this? This is common sense. So abortion is needed immediately since the fetus or the baby will not speak or complain? [quote=bhebhiej]And glad you raised the question of "saving the life of the woman, and especially "if the child would be born with a congenital disorder". Yes, good thinking. What's worse, allowing the future child to grow up possibly confined to a bed or wheelchair, or disfigured and deformed, never being able to experience the joys of life...OR...saving that future child of having to go through a life of physical and likely emotional/mental pain?[/quote] You also have to consider the woman's decision about this. If the child will grow with various pains, then it won't be as hard as it could be. Why? It is because, might be, the mother of the child chose her baby to live. The mother will do anything that she can do, to take care of the child, protect her child, and give as much love as anyone "deserve" to have those attention and affections. Eventually when the child grow, he/she will be very much grateful to her mother who decided him/her to live more and have that experience to live. As the slogan says, "mother knows best." [quote=bhebhiej]As for the issue of a child born of rape...I read an article once that gave statistics (from scientific tests/studies) about the likelyhood of a child born of rape to grow up with mental, emotional, and psychological disorders, sometimes very severe cases (I've been searching the net trying to find this article but have been unsuccessful to this point). I don't remember the exact statistics but I think I remember it saying that children born of rape at 3 times more likely to be emotionally and psychologically disturbed as an adult, leading to possible acts of crime (including rape itself).[/quote] It's not just being raped and abused, also the result of excessive use of contraceptives such as pills that causes people to have some disabilities. I am not that disturbed by the quantity of those disabled people, want to know why? Here in Australia, abortion is legal. You can even get a prescription from a doctor to buy some drugs that can help a female to abort her pregnancy. But even if though, I find the number of those disabled people here in Sydney are huge. I am not sad or disappointed. I am even glad and happy whenever they are around near me. I always have a smile whenever I see them smiling and happy. You might think that the reason why they are happy despite from their disabilities is that they had a chance to meet the world and experience how wonderful to live in it together with their love ones. [quote=bhebhiej]no contraceptive is 100% effective.[/quote] I will just ask an innocent question but sincere. Is Vasectomy and Ligature is a kind of contraceptive? I guess they are. I am sure that these methods are 100% effective. I would take back my word if ever there is an incident of pregnancy even if they use these kinds of method. [quote=bhebhiej]but you can't fool me...times are changing there, and abroad lol[/quote] Yes. You are right here. But Philippine's view regarding abortion will not change since Philippines tend to rely on its religion's perspective. The idea of life and love for life are very essential among Christians. [quote=bhebhiej]I realize that a chicken and a human are completely different, but at the same time...it's kind of the same? We kill/murder/eat "babies" every day when we crack open that egg shell. But when you crack that egg open do you think of a life form inside of it, or do you think it's something that "could" have been a life form? Or maybe you just "don't" think about it. Most likely, you probably don't even think about it because you do not consider it to be a "life". It's "just" food. So for those of you who are against abortion and believe that a fetus or embryo is a life form...tell me the difference between a human embryo and a chicken embryo, and why one is a life and one is not. I'm not criticizing you or telling you that you're wrong, I'm just curious to know your side.[/quote] They are not the same. Can you eat a human's embryo or fetus? I know you want to have an analogy with the fetus and embryo. It's really inhumane to eat another human or any human body parts unless you want to eat your nails or hair. Some people do. [quote=bhebhiej]What about in the case of a pregnant woman who may likely die during pregnancy due to whatever complications? Pro-Lifers tend to use the phrase "the right of the child". So in this scenario...what happened to the rights of the woman? She got pregnant (whether intentional or accidentally) so now she loses her right to live, no matter what? That sounds almost hypocritical.[/quote] You might also consider the mother's right to love her child. The mother might choose to sacrifice her own life for the sake of her baby. Life is the most precious gift that a mother could give for her child. As you said earlier, women have rights. The final decision relies on the mothers decision. If under sever circumstances that the mother can not decide, her family will decide. If there's no family at present by her side, then that's the time that the hospital will decide their fate. [quote=bhebhiej]In the case of a pregnancy due to a rape...is it fair to make that woman carry for 9 months the child of a psychopath? What if she was not ready to have a child? What if the pregnancy itself (not the birth) would cause her to lose her job thus leaving her no way to make money to support her and that child (or maybe she already has a family and is a single mother)?? In this scenario, the woman did not "ask" to be raped, she didn't ask to be pregnant, she did not desire it. "Thinking before she did something" was not an option for her. "Excuse me, Mr. Rapist, will you please pull out before you come or wear a condom so I won't get pregnant?" Not likely, huh?[/quote] Here in Australia, any pregnant woman has the right to have proper support from the government which is sufficient for both of them two. Our government consider the woman's right to decide, and support them in any way they could. Anyway, if ever the scenario would be like that, who a sane mother would live to think that her child is the reason of her failures? She might say she hate the child, even on her gestures, but eventually deep inside, she will realized the value of her child. [quote=bhebhiej]Another side to think about when being against abortion is the case of the unwanted and uncared for child. Those children tend to be the ones who grow up with a lot of anger and turn to crime and drugs. Sure, you have the option to give the child up for adoption. But then you take the risk of the child ending up in a orphanage or a group home or in the care of foster parents. And what if the child is adopted, but down the road the adopting parents decide that they cannot handle raising the child and then the child get bounced into another home with another set of parents. Is that good for the child? I can speak from experience to part of this, because I was in foster homes and group homes when I was a young child while my parents battled over who got custody. I can tell you one thing about that experience...it affected me deeply, even today as a man. It was not a pleasant experience. Visit an orphanage or group home sometime and see if it's a place that you think would be an ideal experience for a young child.[/quote] I am sorry about that. But didn't you realized their reason why they let you live? Can't you appreciate their love? It doesn't mean that they are not showy nor affectionate, that they don't love you. There are many reason why you went to that orphanage and also why they let you live. [quote=bhebhiej]Also, what if prior to birth it is determined that the child will be born with some sort of illness or disorder or disability or deformation. What if that illness or disability/etc. confines that child to a life of pain and agony, whether mental or physical? "The child's right to live"...So then the child is born into a life of pain and suffering and maybe this child wants to die...but suddenly, because now that he/she has been born, he/she has no more rights until he/she is of a legal age to consent and be considered an adult and able to make decisions on his/her own. So now the child suffers against his/her will.[/quote] It is rare for the parents to leave their disabled/disordered child. In fact, they will even give their great concern and love towards their child. These disabled/disordered people are lucky, we [i]might[/i] get envy them because the love and concern is far more greater than our parents give to us.[/spoiler] [spoiler][quote=bhebhiej]I would like to know how those of you who are against abortion feel about fertility drugs and invetro fertilization. What rights do all the cryogenically frozen embryos have? If they are destroyed is that the same as abortion? What about the fact that only 20% of ivf attepts actually work out, meaning a baby is born. What about the 80% of spontanious abortions from ivf, meaning the womans body rejects the implanted embryo? How do people who feel abortion is murder feel about the aggressive manipulation of embryos when the overwhelming liklyhood is an end result of destoying that life? Is this as bad as abortion? If not, why?[/quote] This is even more complicated. I am confuse about the difference between an embryo and a fetus. Let's tackle this one later after. [quote=bhebhiej]And finally...this is just from my own experiences with pro-lifers...Why does it always seem that those who are against abortion (killing a "human life") support the death penalty (killing a human life)? Doesn't that kind of make "pro-life" an oxymoron? Just something to think about.[/quote] Could you name one country which support these two concepts at the same time? Because "if" you are referring to the Philippines, they do not support abortion but they try to avoid death penalty. How can you compare the two ideas? I mean did the embryo or fetus did something wrong? They did not. So why punish them? About the death penalties, I won't support any of the sides of its argument but I guess their reason to support this is that they think that the offenders deserve those. Raping a minor and slaughtering another human life are the two main reasons that I know in order the death penalty be use. Anyway let us not go away from the topic. We can discuss about the death penalties next time.[/spoiler] [spoiler][quote=bhebhiej]Alright, once again, many thanks to any of you who made it all the way through this. Also once again, I know some of my words probably came across as being harsh, but I really don't mean to be harsh. It's just the way I write, I guess. If you could hear my voice, you would be able to hear that I'm sincere, and that I'm not being harsh. Once you all have gotten a chance to know me better, you'll believe and understand it, as well. But if I did manage to offend any of you, please contact me privately and we'll discuss it and resolve the situation like adults. That's all for now. Still need to get caught up on all the posts.[/quote] Actually I am glad that someone standout and good at debates. I can see myself on you. Don't get me wrong. It's just my point of view. Also do not get offended by my comments.[/spoiler] @topic: how far can you go when you're drunk [spoiler][quote=bhebhiej]@current topic (since I'm here, I might as well comment) hahaha...New Year's Eve a few years back I was at a party with some friends. There was this girl there that I thought was really hot, and my best friend also was into her. We're all drunk and having fun and this girl decides that she wants to know who kisses better between me and my best friend. So she takes turns kissing me, then my best friend, then me again, then him again. Anyway, after about 10 kisses for each of us, she then decides that she wants both me AND my best friend to kiss her...at the same time. After a little convincing I finnaly gave in. That was the only time in my life that my tongue has ever touched another guy's tongue. I was soooo trashed that night. hahahahaha What made it even funnier (looking back on it) was that me and my best friend both wanted to "get in her pants" so badly and we were competing with each other to see who could get her....ended up being neither one of us. She ended up going out back with some other guy.[/quote] Hahaha.. Nice one. I would never let myself touch a guy's tongue by my own tongue! No way! OMG! Just the thought of it makes me want to puke. [/spoiler] [spoiler][quote=bhebhiej]actually, that's incorrect....females (not all) can, in fact, ejaculate if you want proof, and to learn how you and your partner can experience the female ejaculation, refer to this link...I could give a "step by step" like eehjhay, but i've already spent enough time on this post today lol....[/quote] Yes! I watched videos for sex tips and more info about sexual intercourse and all related to it. Moreover, I learned how to make an ordinary female to ejaculate! bwahahaha[/spoiler] Woah! Finally I finish this post. Hahaha

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